So I have been using Shape5 stuff for about 10 years - I started a webiste many years ago (which I have not launched yet) and I have put a lot of time into it. It uses the Game World template which I understand you have no plans to upgrade to Joomla 4 - so then what? All these years and now the template is useless? I would renew my membership if I thought I could make it work somehow but if I can't make the Game World template work, or make a different template look very similar I can't justify renewing my membership - especially if I go through all the work of trying to duplicate it with a different template and then you decide not to upgrade that template. It seems this is a very unworkable way to do business.