Introducing 'Thanks' button and Credits system

[Hung Dinh]

I. Thanks Button
The thank you feature has been installed into the forum. Have you ever wanted to say thank you to someone? Now you can click on the Thanks button http://www.joomlart.com/forums/images/buttons/post_thanks.gif to show your appreciation.

This is particularly helpful if you are still new to the topic/subject and lurking around but would like to show your appreciation.

If you are thanked for a post, you will gain 5 Credits to your account. The Credits system is explained as belows.

II. Credits
As you may have noticed, the Credits System has been installed for testing and credits performance review. We have not decided how we will redeem such credits but we can use them for the followings:
JA New/Renew/Upgrade Membership
Joomla Books, T-shirt, Cap, Laptop bags... (http://shop.joomla.org/)
Joomla products from JA Partners
How credits are awarded? (Full settings here (http://www.joomlart.com/forums/images/images/credits_settings.gif))
Quick summary
# Gain Thanks: 5 Credits
# Lose Thanks: -5 Credits
# Give Thanks: 0.1 Credits
# Take Thanks: -0.1 Credit
# Induction (Welcome bonus): 10 Credits
# Referral: 0.1 Credits
# Activity (Credits awarded once per day user has performed the defined activity.): 0.1 Credits
# Birthday: 10 Credits
# Grant Reputation: 0.1 Credits
# Receive Reputation: : 10 Credits
# Infraction
# New Thread: 0 Credits for registered member, 5 for Admin/Mods/Moderators
# Rate Thread: 0.1 Credits
# Posting: 1 Credits
# Own Thread Posting: 2 Credits
# Post Size Credit awarded per character or word in a post, in addition to the Posting Credit: 0.1
# Your Thread Rated: 5 Credits
# Your Thread Replied: 0.1 Credits
# Your Profile Viewed: 0.5 Credits
# Poll Creation: 10 Credits
# Poll Vote: 0.1 Credits
# Sending PM: 1 Credits
# Profile Picture: 5 Credits
# Profile Fields: 5 Credits

NO SPAM POSTS or THANKS for credits.
DO NOT SPAM the Forum for Credit by spam post or thanks. The credits+thanks system has penalty function which means if you reply a post or thanks someone and awarded 1 credit, but the Admin/Mod thinks your post does not contribute to the discussion or make no help/value to the thread or forum like "great", "Agree" then they can remove your post and your credits will be deducted for 50 times of what you have awarded which means 50 credits will be removed from your account.
If your credits are removed more than 3 times, Admin/Mod reserve the right to ban your account from using Credits and Thanks system.

PS: Above information and settings are not final. Depending on the performance of the Credits system setting may be changed. I will keep you updated on how and how much credits will be redeemed for such prizes.

[mfcphil]

And if you were to use your credits for JA New/Renew/Upgrade Membership how many credits would you need.

[Menalto]

Hmmmm, i had 30 000 something credits and now its only 16 000, any good explanation on that?

[MiCCAS]

We changed a lot of settings Menalto, and everyone's credits were redone.

mfcphil: We're not 100% sure just yet, please remember that this is still under trial :)

[Menalto]

Hey? That is hard earned credits MICCAS? You know how hard i worked to get that?

[MiCCAS]

Hey? That is hard earned credits MICCAS? You know how hard i worked to get that?
What's the issue mate, I am sure both you and I would not be eligible for bonuses. The credits system was never public as far as I am aware, else it was not functional.

[Menalto]

Just delete my post buddy, im just joking here

[MiCCAS]

Anyone noticed a lot of our "Thanks" just dropped.. Not sure if it's a bug or if someone deleted a post?

[Hung Dinh]

Anyone noticed a lot of our "Thanks" just dropped.. Not sure if it's a bug or if someone deleted a post?

jconcepts (http://www.joomlart.com/forums/member.php?u=97993) made about 132 inappropriate thanks which has been removed.

[matthew1429]

I'd personally vote for credits being redeemed for extensions to membership

[kallan]

Me too - my membership is up for renewal soon and i'd love to be able to use the credits.

Cheers
Kiwidesign

[Hung Dinh]

Hi guys,
You request, we listen and we make it real (http://www.joomlart.com/forums/showthread.php?t=12557) :D

[mjitalia]

wow! awesome feature!! Thanks for adding it! :)

[grahamo]

Great post, certainly clears up how the credit system works.

:cool:

[gazoline]

in this matter, I just bought 1 year membership and after that, I can't download a lot of things because I have -61 credits:eek:

sorry for my time here...


but for that I received some help for JA, and for that I thank them :)

[tcraw1010]

in this matter, I just bought 1 year membership and after that, I can't download a lot of things because I have -61 credits:eek:

sorry for my time here...
Well, you know how to get more points, right ?

Simply be helpful within the community on the Message Boards and your points will accumulate. :D

[mfcphil]

in this matter, I just bought 1 year membership and after that, I can't download a lot of things because I have -61 credits:eek:

sorry for my time here...

2 posts in 2 years will do that to you :confused:

[cgc0202]

How many times do I have to bring to the attention of Joomlart that the current point system does not really reward people who actually help other people?

The intention is good, and the moment I read about it when I came back, I understood why Joomlart implemented it. However, the point system, as currently configured to implement the policy, does not reward those who actually help other people.

Unless the rules are changed even one liner postings or posting with no value at all to helps others -- can get you a developer license eventually, without the individual doing any good service that deserves to be thanked.

I suggested a number of modifications before, but it has fallen on deaf ears.

Cornelio
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[cgc0202]

See Here (http://www.joomlart.com/forums/showthread.php?t=10167) I consider this is a useful response from a post of mfcphil. but there was no official Thank You

[cgc0202]

8354-8332=22 => Net points for post #18.

[cgc0202]

Included below is a verbatim copy of a feedback that generated controversy that elicited responses criticizing the post and counter-criticism to the criticisms. It also got a "Thank You" -- earning the poster credits for the post and the "Thank You", in spite of the inaccuracies of the allegations.

I criticized the post very harshly, not because I disagreed with the poster, but more because of the inaccurate allegations. And for that I got three Thank You's (so far)..

Personally, while customers should be encouraged to express their views, in agreement or opposition to a feedback, these "responses" must be recorded in a post as "Agree" or "Disagree" -- with no credit points earned -- and must not categorized with a "Thank You" for the credit system. If the aforementioned suggestion is adopted, the above three Thank You's that I got for criticizing someone should not get any credit at all.

Similarly, there are people who are so liberal with their Thank You's at the drop of hat, and in turn get reciprocal Thank You'r.

Lumping "agreement" to an opinion as "Thank You's" devalues the services of those who actually helped other customers solve their problems.

Cornelio

STOP !!!!!

I was one of the first congratulating the Joomlart team for the decision of switching from 2 to 1 template per month at the condition we would have better quality.

And JA olivine is... just a shame !!! Nothing new. More than basic ! Equivalent to any free template around !

And now I read that you plan to implement a licensing system with "call home" systems in the template ???!!!

So I say STOP .

I completetely change my mind and ask to be reimbursed or at least compensate immediatly.

We are NOT talking about an open source community where everyone contribute here. We talk about a professional service we PAID for. And the initial contract was clear and mentioned a certain number of templates accessible before the end of the membership. Moreover, it indicates NO licensing or "call home" system.

So I WANT:

- a prologation of my membership so that it corresponds to the number of templates I paid to have.
- the immediate stop of any talk or attempt to implement any call home system or encrypted file INSIDE the template

I am not kidding and am really serious. I am a CUSTOMER who paid for a service and I WANT the service I paid for and no change in the contract in the middle of my membership. If not, I ask to be reimbursed of the totality of the membership or I plan to sue you for false advertising.

I can not beleive some of you planned to "help" and create a "community". Come on ! What do we pay for ???

[cgc0202]

Reponse post that lead to a "new solution" to a problem deserves more credit than q post that simply point to a link, with the providing the solution to the problem.

An example of a new solution would be the example below provided by Hainn. Apart from Hainn, Mwnalto is another person who deserves higher credits for a number of Thank You's for actually solving problems. This is true also for some bug fixes provided by customers like Omarram, VisiGod, and others.

Cornelio

Hi cgc0202 !
you can change layout of hot topic module from vertical to horizontal following way below :
Open ja_catslwi.css file in modules/mod_ja_catslwi/mod_ja_catslwi folder , find following code section at about line 1 :

.ja-catslwi {
margin:0 0 14px;
padding:0;
position:relative;
}


change to :


.ja-catslwi {
display:block;
float:left;
margin:0 2px 14px;
padding:0;
position:relative;
width:140px;
}

[mfcphil]

Cornelio

While I see where your coming from, it seems a little odd that you continue to amass lots of extra points by repeating yourself in all these posts.

[mj1256]

Personally, while customers should be encouraged to express their views, in agreement or opposition to a feedback, these "responses" must be recorded in a post as "Agree" or "Disagree" -- with no credit points earned -- and must not categorized with a "Thank You" for the credit system

I agree with this developing concept. Thank you has become too general a term.

I also have clicked the thank you button to show my support of a comment, and I have thanked people for actually providing solutions to problems.

so...I support the agree and and disagree buttons in addition to the thank you button, but....I think credits should still be awarded as its is still participation in the forum and that alway needs to be encouraged.

[questbg]

I also have clicked to thank you button to show my support of a comment, and I have thanked people for actually providing solutions to problems.


Me too. I have thanked, and I have been thanked.

Surely a 'thanks' for a comment/suggestion/vote in poll of the month/etc., should carry less weight than a 'thanks you solved my problem and saved my life' type of thanks!

Could not we integrate a 'level' of thanks or different 'thanks' buttons to make the point thingummy a bit fairer?

After all, a post like this deserves nothing, solving somebody's real problem does.

A thanks for saying 'I agree', or 'your site looks nice' again, deserves less than a 'thanks you solved my problem'.

Interesting ...

Discuss!!
:)

Chris

[jwellman]

Personally, I think it is a polite way to show appreciation and participation on the forum. I have not really thought of the system being “unfair” and I think the “Thank You” argument is rather ridiculous. I don’t agree with people abusing the forum, for example other members thanking each other just to rank up points, but I really don’t see a lot of that going on.

Some people may write an entire book (not mentioning names here) :) and I can say the same thing in one or two sentences and get the same job done. Does that make my help any less creditable?

Give it a rest folks!

[cgc0202]

Cornelio
While I see where your coming from, it seems a little odd that you continue to amass lots of extra points by repeating yourself in all these posts.

mfcphil,

That is my whole point in these series of posts. For example, your post that I quoted here might have earned you an extra 6-11 points.

In an actual example, I a single line I posted called "11 points for being flippant": 8,131-8,120= 11 points for a one liner

to prove this point earned 11 points. The post was nonsense, useless, did not help anyone and gained your wrath, or at least a frown from you:)

How many points does an official Thank you get? 15 points That's it.

No official Thank You for a problem solved

The travesty is that I have read many posts that deserved a Thank You, but will not get the extra credit because the person who requested for help never thanked the person who actually solved the problem.

I should know, I have many responses where I helped but did not receive the official Thank You. I consider it tacky to be including a comment to the effect stating -- "Please click the Official Thank You if you received help.

In some cases where I was involved to solve a problem, sometimes it takes several hours. The longest was one where I spent almost two days (see Note 1) -- because I actually have to install a Joomla 1.5.x - Teline II.


I had to reproduce the problem.
Found a solution..
Wrote a detailed procedure.
In retrospect, I found the solution too complex, it is likely to be messed up by someone who is not so familiar with Teline II so I went back to the drawing board
I thought of a simpler solution and tested it
When I was sure it will work, I wrote a detailed procedure


I had double vision and a terrible migraine, after I finished, because I worked non-stop and just a short nap. I wanted to post the easier solution before he read my complex solution. Fortunately, I think it was a weekend. When I woke up early evening. He responded that it solved the problem -- and showed his revised page.

To put it in context, Joomlart charges $40 to install a Joomla-Joomlart Template. I can do the actual QuickStart Instalaltion in 5 minutes while watching TV. Add a few minutes for the database and user setup. The rest are routine.

I did get an official Thank You there -- 15 points for two days work. But, you and I and everyone else get 6-11 points or thereabout for just telling someone we approve or disapprove their posting -- or doubt their motives.

It is very possible therefore that one can get a developer membership if they post enough -- even if they did not help anyone. That is the reason why I posted this here again. Why?

Some people who responded above did not understand fully how the credit system works.

http://www.joomlart.com/forums/showpost.php?p=75176&postcount=15

Instead of being provided the links to explain the point system, the responses were either nebulous, or inaccurate. The responses is what triggered my series of posts here.

You and I and many people know the credit system is flawed.

Or, at least I hope you guys sees the flaws the way I see them. I have demonstrated several times already that you do not have to help anyone and get enough points. You can be the equivalent of a parasite, one who depends on others but not helping in return, and still get enough points. [The latter fosters a Forum where some post new threads that were already answered. [Although sometimes this is not the fault, especially new users because the search mechanism is not perfect.]

http://www.joomlart.com/forums/showpost.php?p=75254&postcount=15

The credit system needed to be reformed.

Otherwise, the current system is an insult to those who actually are helping people. Helping people is something that should be done mainly by paid staff, or something that will not be needed, if each template comes with a good manual, if there are no beta releases of templates to the general membership (this practice is the reason for most of the unwanted "problem" posts) and if template fixes are provided regularly to correct errors that came from beta templates.

Cornelio


Note 1: At the time, I was not using it because the Joomla 1.5.x - Teline II had quite a number of bugs that explained the thousands of threads in the Teline II that were unresolved until late July --more than two months after Teline II was released. That is how long the "beta stage" for Teline II. There are still some problems, but not ones that cause fatal errors.

At least there was a proper thank you there. However, I have read many posts where no official Thank You's were given, a recent example where I was involved is this:

http://www.joomlart.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16631

it took five pages, because Victor does not understand English well. I stepped in only when Hainn, who has helped provide the script fixes for many of the most difficult problems associated with Teline II was unable to find the problem. His initial solution I thought was not the answer, and I had to prove it myself in my site before I had the guts to "contradict Hainn".

[tcraw1010]

I wonder how many points he amassed with that oratory.


;)

[cgc0202]

Personally, I think it is a polite way to show appreciation and participation on the forum. I have not really thought of the system being “unfair” and I think the “Thank You” argument is rather ridiculous. I don’t agree with people abusing the forum, for example other members thanking each other just to rank up points, but I really don’t see a lot of that going on.


It is not all about Thank You's, jwellman. I am talking about the basis of the credit system.

The first month I came back, I recognized the problem right away. To use my points as example, I already have a total for two and a half years of Developer membership credits -- already earning points (2400 points and counting) for 2011, if Joomlart will continue to honor the credit system as is configured. And to be frank, I did not earn those credits from writing what would amount to a book.

I should not complain therefore but I find the system unfair for people like Menalto or Hainn who actually deserve much much more credit points than is reflected in their credits -- because many of their posts led to actual solutions to problems. If Hainn is not a Joomlart staff, he is not given enough credits proportionate to the value of the help he provided.


Some people may write an entire book (not mentioning names here) :) and I can say the same thing in one or two sentences and get the same job done. Does that make my help any less creditable?


That's why you will be a better writer than I can ever be, if you can put in one sentence what may take me a thousand words.

And what you stated is part of the point I am trying to get across. That was why I quoted the "two-word" response of mfcphil above. it got the job done, but got no Thank You. So, no credit for him based on the automated Joomlart credit system, as currently configured.

However, your point on brevity does not address the basic flaw of the current Joomlart credit system. In fact, it encourages both one liners and verbosity. And it rewards any posts irrespective if they are worthwhile or not.

There are actually "comments" system (not sure if it applies to Forums) that will limit the number of words allowed for each post, or, how many posts one can perform per unit time, if those are concerns to you. In my case, since I do not control the forum rules, I just focus on threads that interest me.


Cornelio

[cgc0202]

I wonder how many points he amassed with that oratory.


;)

A long post (12-22 points) is not too far from the above comment (6-11 points range) , and the quoted one liner comment gets almost the same weight as an official Thank You note (15 points).

In terms of the current Joomlart credit system therefore -- it is more "productive" to post one liners than long posts. Got it? Or, will it help answer your question to provide another personal demonstration (with actual point received), using your own posts, as examples? But, I am sure, if such a clarification is what you really wanted to achieve with your comment, you could perform the test yourself.

If you need further guidance: Try a sequence of at least six (6) one liners to get a better average. And try similar number of what you refer to as "oratories". That will get you better average estimates than the range I provided here. And, if you wish to be more precise in scientific sense, I will try to get a statistical something protocol for you. Then, all your wondering will be resolved. Such an endeavor may prove useful to Joomlart, and persuade them to change the current credit system.

To avoid the aforementioned, in my proposed reform of the Joomlart credit system: Your one liner and what you call my "oratory" will not get any points. Such a policy, if adopted by Joomlart, will address the concern of mfcphil.

Cornelio

[jwellman]

I had double vision and a terrible migraine, after I finished, because I worked non-stop and just a short nap. I wanted to post the easier solution before he read my complex solution. Fortunately, I think it was a weekend. When I woke up early evening. He responded that it solved the problem -- and showed his revised page.
Cornelio,
You’re kidding right? If you are serious, I think Joomla Art should be paying you for your valuable time. You are beyond the “Thank You” mode. I feel in my lifetime I’ve helped a lot of people, but your scenarios are a bit extreme for a volunteer position. If nothing else, Joomla Art should at least give you twice as many points for all your good intentions. Perhaps even pay you for the amount of words you type or add you to the Joomla Art staff.

Hopefully, as my time as a member increases, I will have a better understanding of the flaws of the point system. I’m obviously not seeing things as clearly as I should be. :cool:

[cgc0202]

Cornelio,
You’re kidding right? If you are serious, I think Joomla Art should be paying you for your valuable time. You are beyond the “Thank You” mode. I feel in my lifetime I’ve helped a lot of people, but your scenarios are a bit extreme for a volunteer position. If nothing else, Joomla Art should at least give you twice as many points for all your good intentions. Perhaps even pay you for the amount of words you type or add you to the Joomla Art staff.

Hopefully, as my time as a member increases, I will have a better understanding of the flaws of the point system. I’m obviously not seeing things as clearly as I should be. :cool:

No I am not.

But, before I provide you more clarification, the point is, members like Omarram, who has posted only a few posts, has done so much to help all Teline II users, in terms of the impact of his contribution .

The example I used above while it took me quite a long time, helped only one person. It was a help that would not have been needed, if there was a detailed manual for Teline II -- tutorials, FAQs, etc. For example, right now, my focus is persuading Joomlart to provide

More particularly, to go back to your curiosity, it was a Jewish website , an online newspaper using Joomla 1.5.3-Teline II. It has an equivalent print paper. The guy was a veteran Joomla user but the template we are talking about is Teline II template which is different from other Joomlart templates, as far as the scripts are concerned. And he cannot solve the problem. No Joomlart staff wanted to touch the issue.

He was despondent. His only choice was to start all over again. Have you ever tried to start from scratch when you already have a highly customized site? If you did not have a backup? The troubleshooting took longer because I do not want to be provided sensitive information, like admin username or password. So, a lot of times, it required asking information to diagnose the problem, and I have to do it on my own to replicate the problem and the solution. Since I do not have background in scripting at all. I had to base it solely on my experience and trial and error.

He was committing the same errors that i happen to have committed, and by trial and error, I solved them myself -- as I have solved most of my problems with Joomlart. I had the same experience when I was new with Joomlart. It is very frustrating to be ignored. So, when I can, I try to help.

I do not try to help everyone. Just a few people here. And, I stop helping those who just keep on asking questions and do show any indication of helping others.

Chris and Victor

Just ask questbg, for other examples. Check this post: for going beyond what could not be done through one-liner help:

http://www.joomlart.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14052

Through Chris, the tutorials not provided by Joomla had to be translate to French, so that Victor can understand it. Our efforts led others like Ana, who was inspired to create the Spanish version version, and that helped a lot of Spanish users. And, some of the help does not end in the Forums.

Check this out:

http://www.joomlart.com/forums/showthread.php?t=16631&highlight=Victor

When Hainn was unable to solve the problem, and had no clue what is going about, I joined the discussion. But, for me to do that I had to install the same Joomla1.5.5-Teline II again, to check if I can reproduce the error. I checked the sugested solution of Hainn, and decided that it is not the solution nor was it addressing the problerm.

So, I thought, the problem is much simpler -- I call "fidelity errors" -- something that would go away, or something that could not be reproduced. And true enough, my gut instinct was correct. However, this took long also because, again Victor does not understand English well. He followed the procedure provided by Joomlart that led to the problem. To guide him, I had to collate materials from Joomla. Wrote a simplified procedure, including precautions, etc., etc. And posted all those in a single site, so that he could look at them

http://joomla-university.org/jte15x010/

Our approach is helping people at their level. Not give nebulous guides.

Bossep

When Bossep, who is an expert Windows programmer by the way, was having problems with his site, and messed it up. I thought the problem was really simple, we went to private prologed discussion about modern CMS (I am not an expert) and why his practices was part of the problem. Perhaps, the server may also be the problem. But, he has something else in mind. And so, I decided to upload and older version of Joomla 1.5.x-Teline II, created the database and username. And all he did was to install.

Well, we came to a better understanding of what his problems might be. From there, Bossep helped solve one of the more perplexing problems associated with Joomla1.5.x-Teline II

Do I have to do those? No. But I went ahead and did them anyway.

Do you need more examples, to satisfy your curiosity? :)

And yes, I do similar stuff outside of Joomlart also. A group that I helped offered to fly me to the Philippines, and I have standing invitation to join their reunions -- expenses paid. But, I declined. One was brash enough to say that he would pay me to "work" for their website but I told them that they could not afford me, if I charge them by the hour. Also, I really do not feel qualified and do not have the time to provide such a service for them.

Of course, you will never know and you will make up your mind.I call this "Reality and Perception" issues. Sometimes, our initial impression of people cloud our perception of them. You will believe what you believe, depending on how you perceived me, so far. The reality sometimes does not even enter the equation when we make up my mind about people -- part of the peril of the internet age.


Returning the favors

When I arrived in Baltimore straight from the Philippines, one of those who tried to help me was a Jewish family. And, one of my best friends when I was a student in Baltimore was Jewish guy. Without him, and my close circle of friends, I would have been lost. And, since then, I had met so many Jewish people, since then, and even those who may not like my politics in regard the Israeli-Palestinian issue, some of those who know me well enough still considered me as a friend, enough to be invited in their private Sabath observance.

I admire Jewish people and their culture, quite a lot. I always use them as examples when ti comes to meeting challenges. The fact that some conservatives refer to the Judeo-Christian tradition now, is a testament as to how far the Jewish people have come in the US, and for that matter in the world. Of course, I have been exposed, immersed or even studied a number of people and their cutlures or even their economic system: Japanese, Japanese, Germans, Chinese, Indians, Armenians and more. I was fascinated (from a personal interest) why cultures have been dominant, and why countries like mind are very poor. Or why certain empires ruled at certain times, but are now just a memory of what they had been.

But, my fascination with peoples and their culture do not lead me to generalize. I always consider each person, and interact accordingly.

All my life, many people have helped me, not just by my family. Sometimes, I could not repay them directly. So, I return the favor to others who I feel could use the same help, as others have done for me.

Cornelio


N.B.
To those who are still curious, this post led to 20 credit points. In my proposed reform of the Joomlart credit system, this post should not get any credit points at all.

[VisiGod]

It is interesting to state that I transferred my credits, but this did not lead to prolongation of my membership :)

[mj1256]

its working, they check the credits for redemption every week or so, it took them 5 days to credit my points to an upgraded membership just last week.

[VisiGod]

Well, more than week passed. I know they are not doing it immediatelly :)

[mj1256]

I would email them, cause they just did mine with out issue

[VisiGod]

E-mail who? Hung or someone else?

[gazoline]

...My account is about 2 years old, but my membership has few days...

I try to fit in the landscape here and also to understand the issues...

For now, I am quite pleased with this membership, but I sense some difficulties that I am not really aware yet. Please help me to understand more...

[cgc0202]

its working, they check the credits for redemption every week or so, it took them 5 days to credit my points to an upgraded membership just last week.

Now you do not have to worry about how many sites you use. Provided you register them.:) If only Joomlart clarifies the Developer licensing besides "Unlimited use".

For example, except for the inability to "sell" a template, what are the limits of what a developer can do with the tempplates -- with unlimited use?

I should post a feedback on this.

Cornelio

[mj1256]

VisiGod: email customer support from the JA main page

cgc0202: unlimited use works for me, lets not define it, I like it being vague ;)

except for the inability to "sell" a template,
well, right now I see it as selling as an affiliate, or as a developer, I do sell the template but indirectly, it is built into my price as part of the cost of my doing business, but not defined or stated in my pricing. Its just like amazon and free shipping, you don't think shipping is actually free, nope, its built into the retail price.

[cgc0202]

in this matter, I just bought 1 year membership and after that, I can't download a lot of things because I have -61 credits:eek:

sorry for my time here...


but for that I received some help for JA, and for that I thank them :)

HI gazoline,

You should be able to download all templates up to Olivine and until yourmembership expires. That is true also for many extensions, except those that were intended free for Developers. Those, when they are ready, you have to pay.

Cornelio

[cgc0202]

cgc0202: unlimited use works for me, lets not define it, I like it being vague ;)


It can be abused mj,

Like one customer. He uses it as a freebie for those who register in his reseller webhosting service. Is it legal? Without any definition, of what is allowed or not allowed, then the aforementioned use is legal use. So, let us say, he gets a million customers (this is an extreme to demonstrate the absurdity) then that is a million potential customers lost to Joomlart -- $50 million with nothing going back to the coffers of Joomlart? So, it may be legal but not fair.

I would rather prefer a discounted bulk pricing for Developers, with clearcut definition of fair usage (I will not discuss that here):


10 domains => $20 => $200
50 domains => $15 => $750
100 domains => $10 => $1000
1,000 domains =>$5 =>$5,000
etc.

after all, as you stated, you pass it along to your client. Let's say you charge $40 for the template per website


10 websites => $40 => $400 => difference form above (profit) => $200
50 websites => $40 => $2000 => difference above (profit) => $1250
100 websites => $40 => $4000 => difference above (profit) => $3000
1,000 websites =>$40 =>$40,000 => difference above (profit) => $35,000
etc.


So, let us not be greedy, but for Joomlart and Developers to work together. With the above approach, per domain, it is possiblle to have an "installation key" for example that can work only with a given domain. [I do not know the details, but it should be simialr to registration of any software, without a Call Home mechanism. This is standard in many softwares.]

As a customer, you are given so many keys, you manually register the domain. And when you install a site, and provide it a key., that key will no longer work for any other domains. When all your keys are used up, then you buy more.

In the above scheme, you are making money, and while Joomlart will be making less, they do not have to worry about their "creations" being stolen.

Cornelio

[mj1256]

I was be sarcastic, this should be moved to a new thread.

currently, 499 for unlimited domains is very reasonable for developers and JA.